Yet Another Bible Quiz

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Wow! You are awesome! You are a true Biblical scholar, not just a hearer but a personal reader! The books, the characters, the events, the verses – you know it all! You are fantastic!

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Want to feel better about your Bible knowledge? Try this quiz. It is incredibly easy (although the correct answers to a few of the questions could be debated). [HT: Dr Jim West]

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Today

Certainly an improvement on yesterday, which saw the foundation of my first anti-fan club — ‘I Disagree with Alastair Roberts’ — started by my little brother on Facebook. He obviously has far too much time on his hands.

Meet the PuritansToday I had a brief visit from my sister-in-law and another friend. It is always great to meet up with friends after being away from them for a while and to catch up on news from home. Among other things they delivered some things from home — a computer game and a parcel that had come for me. The parcel contained a book from Joel Beeke. I had the great privilege of working for a month with him in Grand Rapids back in 2003. I spent much of the time researching for a book that Joel Beeke was working on at the time. I had almost forgotten about it, but the book that he sent was a complimentary copy of the work, Meet the Puritans. I even get a mention in the preface, which, unless I am mistaken, is the first time that my name has found its way into a published work. From the brief time that I have taken to look at it, the finished product looks like a very useful reference volume for anyone who is interested in the Puritans.

The evening we had a very tasty Chinese takeaway meal. We hardly ever order takeaway, so it was nice to take a break from cooking for an evening. We followed the meal with a long game of Settlers of Catan, which I spend far too much time playing at the moment. I am feeling like finishing the evening with some knitting, a short DVD and a small glass of port.

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I am Interviewed…

by the Internet Monk. Read it all here.

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Clark and Wilson

You would not believe how frustrating it is to follow the debate between Clark and Wilson. Clark has posted here and here; Wilson responds here, here and here. I don’t seem to be the only one who thinks that Clark is so determined to disagree with Wilson that he will create differences where they do not exist. Of course, the gospel is at stake in these slightest of differences. It always is, isn’t it!

Michael Spencer comments:

You know, when you have someone decrying another person’s faith entirely on the basis of an argument that simply cannot be comprehended by a fairly educated Christian teacher and preacher (me), then what in the heck is going on? Presbyterians can go at it over things that the rest of the Christian world can’t even point at and nod.

I’ve listened to a lot of Federal Vision criticism and defense, and it makes me want to hear the welcome sound of fingernails on a chalkboard.

Along with recent discussions between FV proponents and critics about the nature of union with Christ, this sort of discussion reveals a particularly ugly side of Reformed theology — the tendency to get bogged down in the pettiest of disagreements whilst claiming that one is defending the heart of the Christian faith. When the gospel has been so utterly dissolved into theological fine print one wonders if there is anything to rejoice in anymore. The gospel is not about a precise and finely-attuned relationship and distinction between justification and sanctification. It never was and, praise God, it never will be.

This is why I love reading people like N.T. Wright. Wright’s gospel is so simple and straightforward that one cannot but rejoice. It really isn’t very complicated. Of course, when a mind that has been tying itself in knots over fine distinctions without differences encounters Wright it will go away deeply confused. The confusion, however, is in the mind of the reader, not in Wright himself.

When it comes to the distinction between justification and sanctification it seems to me that much of the heat of this debate arises from the fact that the wrong questions are being asked (both by many FV writers and by their critics). It seems that the question that guides the debate is still the question of how an individual can get right with a holy God. However, the more that I look at the Scriptures, the more that I come to the conclusion that this can only lead us to misunderstand the biblical teaching on justification. Justification in the Scripture is about how God sets men to rights (not, however, about a process of making people righteous), rather than about how men can get right with God. Once this has been appreciated the distinction between justification and sanctification is nowhere near as sharp as it would be otherwise (for instance, we can say that God is righteous to justify a person, among other reasons, because He has committed Himself to sanctifying the person and that, if He were not committed to sanctifying them then He would not be righteous to justify them) and faith and works can be far more closely related. We can even go so far as to claim that part of the reason that God is righteous in justifying us has to do with the holiness of faith.

If I were working in terms of the theological questions that shape Clark’s understanding of justification, my underlying theological concerns would probably lead me to much the same conclusions. However, my conviction is that the questions that shape his position are simply the wrong ones and that a better set of questions could lead us far beyond the impasses of many of the Reformation debates and may even allow for a more sympathetic reading of Roman Catholic theology on this matter. Whilst the idea of a sympathetic reading of Roman Catholic theology appalls many, I see no reason why it should, provided that we have arrived at such a reading through closer attention to the Scriptures, rather through the sacrifice of biblical convictions on the altar of compromise.

Update: Wilson blogs another response here.

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Are Protestants Heretics?

I do hereby conclude: When the Western Church fissiparated in the sixteen century, the Reformers took a portion of the essential patrimony of the Church with them, and they thereby left both the Roman Church and themselves the poorer for it.

Read the whole article by Edward T. Oakes, S.J. here. [HT: Michael Spencer from BHT]

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More Wright Talks

Simply Christian: Why Christianity Makes Sense
Part 1, Part 2

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New Definitions

Check out this hilarious list. I may even try to find ways to work some of these words into my regular vocabulary.

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The Free Will Song


[For personal reference, in case I ever wonder why I am not an ‘Arminian’. Admittedly, some of the comments responding to the video on Youtube and elsewhere might cause me to question why I should ever want to consider myself Reformed…]

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NTW on the Gay Adoption Row

N.T. Wright comments on the recent refusal of exemption to Roman Catholic adoption agencies on anti-discrimination legislation.

There is no way that the Catholic Church is going to change its mind on this one given 18 months or so. This completely fails to take into account the views and beliefs of all those involved. The idea that New Labour – which has got every second thing wrong and is backtracking on extended drinking hours, is in a mess over this cash-for-peerages business, cannot keep all its prisons under control – the idea that New Labour can come up with a new morality which it forces on the Catholic Church after 2,000 years – I am sorry – this is amazing arrogance on the part of the Government.

Legislation for a nouveau morality is deeply unwise. That is not how morality works. At a time when the Government is foundering with so many of its policies – and I haven’t even mentioned Iraq – the thought that this Government has the moral credibility to be able tell the Roman Catholic Church how to order one area of its episcopal teaching is frankly laughable. When you think about it like that, it is quite extraordinary. I suppose the hope is that in 18 months time there will be a different Prime Minister who might take a different view, and this will kick it into the long grass until then.

I completely agree with Wright, the present Labour government is utterly lacking in moral credibility. The recklessness with which terms like ‘family’ and ‘parenthood’ are redefined in order to pander to a homosexual agenda is frightening. The rise of the Newspeak is far more rapid than many of us would expect. The fact that some of Britain’s most vulnerable children will be the pawns in all of this is even more troubling.

I believe that much anti-discrimination legislation is important. I have no desire to see homosexuals unfairly treated or refused services in most contexts. Whilst I strongly believe that homosexual practice is condemned as immoral by the Christian faith, this should provide no justification whatsoever for prejudice against homosexuals in most areas of life and business, something which I think that Christians should strongly condemn where it occurs. The problem is that there are some areas of life in which discrimination is extremely important. A culture that has lost the ability to recognize where discrimination is necessary and the ability to discriminate wisely is in moral freefall.

The problem here is that, whatever the government might wish, the truth is often deeply politically incorrect and unpalatable. As Flannery O’Connor once wisely observed, ‘The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.’ However, over the last decade or so it has been painfully clear that the Labour government is more committed to political expediency than it is to justice and truth. The rot has been permitted to set into the foundations of our society and its progressive collapse is now all but assured. These are mistakes that we will be paying the price for for many years to come.

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Siouxlands Presbytery Study Committee Report

The affirmations and denials are not all directed at specific statements of FV/NPP advocates. The reason for this is that just about every single time someone says “The FV says this,” FV proponents say “no, they don’t.” So, many of them are directed against more general implications (and practical outworkings of what happens) of their theology. Todd, with regard to comment 4 [comment 4 reads: ‘The FV major players would all agree with the vast majority of this report’], the point is not that they would *say* they disagree with it, so much as that their theology actually does disagree with it. This point has been raised again and again in the discussions on my blog: the issue is not whether NPP/FV advocates *say* they agree with the WS, but whether their theology is compatible with it.

So writes Lane Keister (see comment 5 following the post). I am reminded of a comment by John Owen regarding the uncharity of judging people according to the supposed implications of their theology when they themselves do not draw such implications. Just because a certain statement leads to heretical conclusions within the logic of your theological system does not mean that it leads to such conclusions within the systems of others.

My advice to the opponents of the FV and NPP is to listen carefully to what the proponents of such positions are insisting that they are not saying and explore that common ground. It is far greater than may first be thought. The heat of the present debates largely results from people jumping to conclusions regarding the implications of the FV and the NPP, conclusions that should be questioned, given the fact that FV and NPP proponents do not in fact draw the feared implications. I am well aware of why many of the opponents of the NPP and the FV are afraid of what to them are apparent implications of the movements (I use this term very loosely). If I thought that such positions were really implications of the movements I would be deeply concerned too.

A little Christian charity and benefit of the doubt would go a long way here. When FV and NPP proponents say that they reject certain apparent implications of their positions, it would be great if people would take them at their word, and not suggest that they hold to positions that they strenuously deny. Dialogue could begin by a clear statement of the fact that certain feared implications are out of bounds and the heat of the debate could thereby be significantly reduced. It would then be possible to begin to explain the inner logic of NPP and FV positions, which prevent them from going in dangerous directions.

So many of the discussions that have resulted when I have articulated positions related to those of the FV and NPP have begun with wild accusations being thrown at me, as people have jumped to conclusions and assumed that, since I hold X, I must hold Y and Z as well. Baptismal regeneration is a great doctrine for provoking such reactions. In my experience, many of those with whom I have talked for a greater period of time have ended up stepping back from most of their original conclusions. Whilst they still disagree with me at the end of the conversation, they have realized that the implications that they initially perceived to follow do not necessarily do so. Unfortunately many are too dismissive to listen long enough and carefully enough to clear up such misconceptions.

I must confess to having been hurt by many of the accusations that have been levelled against me in various contexts for holding the positions that I do, particularly when these accusations have come from people who are closer to me. Paranoia can prevent us from exercising Christian charity and asking the questions that might prevent misunderstanding. It has been a blessing to interact with some people who have not jumped to the conclusion that I hold to a certain set of implications for some of my beliefs. Instead they have questioned me about whether I hold these implications and, when I reveal that I don’t, have asked me to explain why, so that they might understand where I am coming from.

Whilst I definitely have some substantial theological differences with the Presbyterian opponents of the FV and NPP, the thing that frustrates me most in dialogue with them is that so much common ground is left unexplored because they are forever tilting at windmills. If we were permitted to lay to rest the illusory enemies that their imaginations have conjured up we might discover that it is possible to live in peace.

I know from experience that a conversation that begins with accusations that spring from paranoia, rather than clear understanding seldom reaches a successful conclusion. A conversation that begins with suspicion and accusation is almost doomed to end nastily. The response of the person who is accused will often be characterized by anger, fear and aggresion. When someone comes at you with their heretic-killing sword drawn, the fight or flight instinct tends to kick in and the possibility of reasonable debate goes out of the window. Having been at the receiving end of such behaviour I know that I have often responded in an ungracious and unChristian manner. I have said hurtful things, things that were unhelpful and inappropriate.

This is why it is such a blessing to dialogue with people who go to great effort to believe the best, whilst wanting to be clear about what I do and do not hold. It is not the first time that I have said this, but I believe that the present debates would not have reached the scale that they have had this approach been adopted from the outset. Much of the current mess is the result of an underlying failure in Christian charity, and not just on one side of the debates.

The debates easily collapse into a mimetic spiral where uncharitable opponents are responded to be uncharitable proponents. This has to be stopped sometime, before it goes too far. The polarization that results does none of us any good. I have been blessed with a few theologically-minded friends, who hold quite different positions from those which I hold on a number of issues. These friends frequently criticize my positions and challenge me in areas where they perceive imbalance and I do the same to them. Such critics are invaluable and we all need them. However, contexts in which such criticism can exist are very fragile and depend upon the preservation of Christian charity.

This is one of the greatest problems in Internet debate. When we are personally acquainted with someone we are far less inclined to demonize them. Unfortunately, people who would never respond to someone in a rude fashion in a face-to-face conversation find it easy to do so on an Internet forum or blog comment. The anonymity of the Internet and the lack of physical presence to the other makes the cultivation of charity far harder. We tend to be a lot more gracious and charitable to people when our acquaintance is mediated by more than a computer. The fact that the Internet has been such a driving force in these debates and that so many of the condemnations of the FV and NPP have involved little or no face-to-face contact or personal acquaintance with the proponents of the position should go some way to explaining the tone that the debate has taken.

I believe that these debates have got mired down in misunderstanding and aren’t going to get anywhere soon. The accusations of heresy that have been levelled against the FV and NPP are unfair and remain unsubstantiated. The fact that FV and NPP proponents protest against the accusations is not an attempt at evasion, but springs from the conviction that they are being seriously misrepresented, a conviction that is not uncommonly mingled with anger and fear. We should not forget that personal vocations are on the line for a number of people involved in these debates. Many of us have had friendships jeopardized by these debates and have been considered heretical by people who are close to us on account of unsupported claims that have been made about the theology of men such as N.T. Wright. We have been hurt and have felt betrayed and falsely accused. If the accusers of the FV and NPP had serious theological charges levelled against them, charges that they considered unjustified, they would probably feel much the same.

I am sure that I am not the only one who would love to see a new stage of the debates beginning, one characterized by Christian charity and a willingness to believe the best, one that resists accusing FV and NPP proponents of certain apparent implications of their theology, but rather one that seeks to establish clear common ground from which differences can be explored and seeks carefully to understand the logic underlying the differences before it ever begins to criticize. Such an approach would make sure that FV and NPP proponents did not feel misrepresented (and I can honestly say that most FV and NPP proponents I know are not just claiming to be misrepresented because people disagree with their theology), but that they were properly understood before they were criticized.

Such criticism could first come, not in the form of knee-jerk accusations (such as those which started the whole FV affair), but as brotherly concern over imbalance and possible error. Such an approach would invite FV and NPP proponents to correct some of the various imbalances that exist in their theologies, without the need to drop any ‘H’-bombs. It would invite them to articulate their positions with more clarity to avoid dangerous potential implications, to lay to rest certain misunderstandings and to take some of the important concerns of others on board (I am convinced that the FV and the NPP are imbalanced, taken by themselves). Within such a dialogue the parties could move closer together in many ways and the polarization that characterizes the present debate could be largely avoided.

Such charitable dialogue would establish the places where substantial and unresolvable disagreements do exist far more successfully than the current debates, where such charitable dialogue really has not taken place. In the current situation the heat of the debate makes it hard to clearly locate the substantial disagreements within all of the dust that is thrown up by the various parties. Oliver O’Donovan recently gave some thoughts on the debates surrounding homosexuality that are far more appropriately applied (in my humble opinion) to debates like those over the FV and NPP:—

The old-style liberalism that used to preside over the church’s dilemmas in a confident spirit of practical compromise began from the assumption that everyone was divided from everyone else by recalcitrant disagreements. The Lord, the liberals prophets announced, had sent a perpetual famine of his word. We should stop asking questions of one another and hoping for answers, and eat the dry bread of commonsense compromises. Those who remember Pentecost may reasonably doubt that this was ever the wisest counsel for the church. But at the very least we cannot know whether and how much of a famine of the word there is in any disagreement until we submit it to the disciplines of patient common enquiry. No disagreement refuses to be analysed, and its constituent elements sorted out according to size and shape. No disagreement does not lure us on with the hope, however distant, of a genuine resolution. Can we promise ourselves, then, that if the churches would only discuss homosexuality long and fully and widely enough, they would end up agreeing? Well, we are not entitled to rule out that possibility. But suppose it were not true; suppose that after careful exploration and a search for common ground, there was an agreement-resistant core at the centre of the issue – a problem about how modernity is viewed, for example, or about the ontological status of self-consciousness – it might still be possible to set the residual disagreement in what the ecumenists like to call “a new context”, and (who knows?) learn how to live with it. We have a parallel in the difference between indissolubilist and non-indissolubilist views of marriage, a traditional point of tension between Catholic and Protestant. That disagreement has not gone away; but if today it bulks less threateningly than it once did, that is because we are so much more clear about the extent of the agreed ground all around it – God’s intentions for marriage, the pastoral desiderata in dealing with broken marriage etc etc. It no longer evokes threatening resonances. It is a problem reduced to its true shape and size.

There are no guarantees. There never are in the Christian life. But that is not a reason not to try. And seriously trying means being seriously patient. Anyone who thinks that resolutions can be reached in one leap without long mutual exploration, probing, challenge and clarification, has not yet understood the nature of the riddle that the ironic fairy of history has posed for us in our time.

I am convinced that there are genuine differences between the FV and NPP proponents and their critics. However, I am equally convinced that, whatever differences exist have been so exaggerated in the consciousness of many that they badly need to be ‘reduced to their true shape and size’. I am convinced that, if such an approach were taken, we would also discover that it is possible to live with one another, despite our differences.

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